Durka-Durka-Muhammed-Jihad!!
It would seem that Pablo *patooey!* Paredes, the sailor that decided to leave the Navy before his contract was up, has now been formally charged by the Navy:
Charges filed against anti-war sailorSurprised!? You are such a freakin MORON if you thought they'd just forget about your Pablo. Here is where the payback comes into play: brig time, loss of most of your pay while you're in the brig, and a Big Conduct Discharge.Petty Officer 3rd Class Pablo E. Paredes decided to protest the Iraq war by not sailing with his ship when it left San Diego Harbor on Dec. 6.
Yesterday, the Navy decided to charge Paredes, 23, with being absent without leave and missing movement, charges that could send him to military prison for as long as a year and limit his employment options.
The action by the Navy surprised Paredes, who made headlines and drew supporters and critics with his stance.
"I showed up at the base expecting to hear whether the local Navy command had approved my conscientious objector status. Instead I was read the charges against," said Paredes, who is on temporary duty at Naval Base San Diego.
Smash has a lot more to say about Pablo *patooey!* being 'surprised' and has relevant thoughts on your bleak future.
Here's hoping that you get the living crap crushed out of you at court martial....
Deserting and failing to re-up are NOT the same thing.
As for Wog Day, my memory is a li
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scroff said:
I answered your question because you asked it. Maybe the joke went over my head.
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Rob@L&R said:
I presumed that you could figure out BCD without explanation, scroff.
I answered your que
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Well, I was correct. This was a another way of saying that it is obvious you have never served
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Do I have to explain everything around here?
? You actually answered that??
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Here's hoping that you get the living crap crushed out of you at court martial....
Compassionate conservatism?
|| Posted by The Liberal Avenger, March 28, 2005 05:31 PM ||Compassionate Conservatism means showing compassion when compassion is warranted.
Which it isn't, in this case.
Pablo should consider himself lucky he didn't get charged with desertion.
I guess that's compassion, huh?
|| Posted by Captain NeoCon, March 29, 2005 05:31 AM ||Where did you tough guys stand with all the servicemen who said that they would have "quit" had John Kerry become the Commander-in-Chief?
|| Posted by The Liberal Avenger, March 29, 2005 08:12 AM ||Compassionate Conservatism means showing compassion when compassion is warranted
Yea, LA, it means they conserve their compassion for the people they think deserve it... namely... them!
|| Posted by scroff, March 29, 2005 09:48 AM ||Where did you tough guys stand with all the servicemen who said that they would have "quit" had John Kerry become the Commander-in-Chief?
First of all, please provide examples of "all the servicemen", because I've never heard of even one.
2nd, if "all those servicemen" quit in the same manner as Pablo, they deserve the same fate: Brig time and a Big Chicken Dinner.
Of course, someone will have to explain to you what a Big Chicken Dinner is.
Frankly, I don't believe there are that many. If you can provide proof of even 4 or 5, I will laugh my ass off at "all those servicemen."
4 or 5 out of a standing military of 1 million. What a joke... "ALL THOSE SERVICEMEN!"
Maybe you mean "both the servicemen." or even "that serviceman."
As far as your little piece of snarkiness, scroff; yes, I reserve my compassion for those whom I believe deserve it.
Terri Schindler does, Pablo Paredes does not.
You must hold the belief that EVERYONE deserves compassion. Well, they do, until their actions prove otherwise.
Pablo's actions prove otherwise.
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, March 29, 2005 10:37 AM ||Where did you tough guys stand with all the servicemen who said that they would have "quit" had John Kerry become the Commander-in-Chief?
This is news to me.
I did hear about some Dems who were going to 'quit' America if President Bush was re-elected, but never any members of the military that would quit if Kerry made it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue....
|| Posted by Mad Mikey, March 29, 2005 04:33 PM ||Take a gander at this post and let me know what you folks think:
http://www.bopnews.com/archives/002149.html
Thanks.
|| Posted by The Liberal Avenger, March 29, 2005 05:22 PM ||Well, it's second-hand info at best.
If we take it at face value and that it's 100% real angst from an Air Force Academy cadet, it's still not 'all those servicemen that threatened to quit if Kerry won'.
In all fairness, these cadets can quit before they take the oath of office.
|| Posted by Mad Mikey, March 29, 2005 08:55 PM ||My only problem with Paredes is that he should take his lumps without complaining, but I don't know the whole story. There are lots of guys who feel the same way he does, who have realized that Iraq is bullshit, who are still in Iraq. If someone wants to stand up for their beliefs, I applaude it, but they have to be willing to take the heat, too.
As far as your little piece of snarkiness, scroff; yes, I reserve my compassion for those whom I believe deserve it.
lol! snarkiness?
I do hold the belief that everyone deserves compassion, and I'm not even a "Good Christian". What has Paredes done that makes him "undeserving"?
If their "actions prove otherwise" there are laws for that. In Paredes' case the law is being followed, as it is in Schiavo's case. Everybody deserves compassion, regardless of what they do. I might not agree with them or their behaviors, but that doesn't mean they don't "deserve" compassion as human beings. Hell, one of the the last things Jesus said was "Forgive them, father..."
As far as Conservative Compassion goes, I just don't see it, unless, like I said, it's for conservatives who tow the line.
Who's Terri Schindler?
|| Posted by scroff, March 29, 2005 09:03 PM ||Here's a quote I found on Blogs for Bush
"I know several Marines, my niece being one of them, who are not re-enlisting if Kerry gets elected. My niece is a graduate of the Naval Academy and planned to make a career of the military. She's been in Kuwait twice in the last 3 years. Her obligation is up next year and she has flatly stated the military is terrified of Kerry possibly winning and she will not re-enlist if he does.
I have a feeling that if we end up with a draft, it will be because Kerry can't get anyone to volunteer to serve should he win."
While I don't recall troops threatening to desert if Kerry was elected, I do recall reading here and there about troops not re-upping.
Just FYI, LA, and I'm sure you know this... it's not wise to post anything that you can't back up readily.
|| Posted by scroff, March 29, 2005 09:22 PM ||Thx for the feedback, Mikey and scroff.
I certainly heard about the sentiment during the campaign... It was probably more idle tough-guy chatter than anything else. I didn't mean to imply that it was universal within the armed services. I seem to recall hearing some of the same back in the early 90s when Billy was talking about changing the rules for homosexuals in the service... The military apparently survived that crisis of faith as well.
So what's a Big Chicken Dinner?
Mikey - do you have any good stories about anybody's first passage over the equator?
|| Posted by The Liberal Avenger, March 29, 2005 09:40 PM ||So what's a Big Chicken Dinner?
It's what Spc. Jeremy C. Sivits got for his role in Abu Ghraib... a year in prison, reduction in rank and a Bad Conduct Discharge... not to be confused with six six and a kick.
|| Posted by scroff, March 29, 2005 09:50 PM ||Why is that called a Big Chicken Dinner?
|| Posted by The Liberal Avenger, March 29, 2005 10:54 PM ||Bad Conduct Discharge = BCD
Big Chicken Dinner = BCD
Of course, someone will have to explain to you what a Big Chicken Dinner is.
Well, I was correct. This was a another way of saying that it is obvious you have never served.
Who is Terri Schindler?
Do I have to explain everything around here?
Here's a hint: Bob & Mary Schindler's daughter, Terri.
Got it yet?
Yeah, I know...
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, March 30, 2005 05:37 AM ||Who's being snarky now?
Scroff: I take your citations as the truth since I know you're the type to research your stuff....however, there is a difference between Marines quitting which you know they'd never do and not re-enlisting.
Mikey - do you have any good stories about anybody's first passage over the equator?
Nothing really except my own 'Wog Day' fun and I'd have to stop and think about it to really recall what happened as we're talking about almost 20 years ago....
|| Posted by Mad Mikey, March 30, 2005 07:50 AM ||Please regale us with your tale of the sea, oh salty one!
I'm an East Coast sailor... just a wog.
But I have been through both the Panama AND Suez canals.
And have had 2 swim calls! Betcha haven't had even one of those, huh, Shellback Mikey!
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, March 30, 2005 08:07 AM ||Nope, no 'swim call's - jumping into the ocean from the flight deck of a carrier is something you only do if the freakin ship is sinking!!
Oh Wog Day...honestly, the day is meant to be mean and nasty to people and I was having too much fun doing all the stupid things required of me that I basically took the fun out of it for the shellbacks.
If I remember to this weekend, I'll try to find the few photos I have from then...
|| Posted by Mad Mikey, March 30, 2005 08:28 AM ||Do I have to explain everything around here?
? You actually answered that??
however, there is a difference between Marines quitting which you know they'd never do and not re-enlisting
Absolutely.
|| Posted by scroff, March 30, 2005 08:36 AM ||Well, I was correct. This was a another way of saying that it is obvious you have never served.
Don't be so quick to judge... when I was in we didn't call a BCD a "Big Chicken Dinner", at least not in the Marines... we called it a Bad Conduct Discharge.
We got a six six and a kick.
|| Posted by scroff, March 30, 2005 08:40 AM ||I presumed that you could figure out BCD without explanation, scroff.
I answered your question because you asked it. Maybe the joke went over my head.
I'm still trying to figure "six six and a kick"
I presume "kick" is a discharge, whether BCD or not?
As for "six six"...
6 months extra duty and 6 months pay withheld?
Disclosure: I went up before the Old Man on a UA charge and was given 10 days extra duty, $250 a month for 1 month, but kept my Crow.
Did the extra duty standing on my head; Was the only one in the bunch who hadn't been reduced in rank, so I was put in charge.
Suckers.
And I see your point about the flight deck, Mikey. We only had 12 feet off our aft flight deck (FFG).
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, March 30, 2005 09:21 AM ||I answered your question because you asked it. Maybe the joke went over my head.
I'm just being a wise-ass... pay me no mind.
six six and a kick is pretty much what you said... except six months brig time, six months no pay and a BCD.
I stood in front of the Col. so many times it was a miracle I got an Honorable, mostly for drinking and fighting... never made it past LCpl.
|| Posted by scroff, March 30, 2005 09:37 AM ||Deserting and failing to re-up are NOT the same thing.
As for Wog Day, my memory is a little bit better than Mad Mikey's. Remember the UHT milk splattering in the overheads in my shop, MM? I think you and your shop's wogs were in the tunnel when we had the wog revolt... (grin)
|| Posted by timekeeper, March 30, 2005 02:08 PM ||