Durka-Durka-Muhammed-Jihad!!
This is what we've been trying to tell the anti-war psychos for two years now: these Islamofascists don't give a rat's ass if you're *cough* against the War on Terror - they'll saw your head off just like Nick Berg's in a heartbeat.
They're almost like Terminators: they can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity or remorse, and they will not stop - EVER - until you are dead.
So....those of you that continue to think that we're waging an 'imperialistic war' or a war for oil - think again. And think hard about it because there's no going back once your head is being lofted into the air while they chant 'Allah Ahkbar!!'....they mean to 'play for keeps' and there are many of us that intend to facilitate their meeting of Allah.
(Cartoon politely glommed from Cox & Forkum)
I'm not sure how long we needed to stay in Japan or Germany, but I'd estimate at least 10 years.
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Chet said:
But how long did we really need to stay in Japan and Germany. In my opinion, we overstaye
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Cait said:
We did the same thing with Japan and Germany after WWII. We occupied those countries and restore
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Chet said:
What many leftists and well-meaning "moderates" such as our friend Other Mike have failed to comp
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Rob@L&R said:
Since Iraq is now the only Muslim country with a democratically-elected Constitutional government
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The Other Mike S said:
Sorry Mikey, here goes:
Rob, JP: I'm just going to give you the highlights here. PLEASE
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And then there's this one, which pretty much sums up our relationship with the Arab world.
|| Posted by Cait, October 14, 2005 10:10 AM ||Interesting how the war is the center of topic on so many sites right now. Interesting.
Anyway, don't assume that because some of us are against the Iraqi war, we are "anti-war psychos". Far from it.
I want the heads of the Islamofacists on "our belts" as much as the next American, but I don't want it at the cost of a poorly planned engagement. And that's what we've got.
I won't take up your bandwidth. My latest rant on my site covers my feelings and rationale in greater detail.
|| Posted by The Other Mike S, October 14, 2005 05:24 PM ||"poorly planned engagement?"
We rolled into Baghdad faster than it took for you to type up that comment.
It took Janet Reno longer to burn the Davidians out of Waco.
It took Ed Wood longer to shoot "Plan 9."
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, October 15, 2005 05:03 AM ||Poorly planned?
- We overthrew Saddam's regime in a matter of days,and he was supposedly the most powerful military force in the middle east.
- Despite an guerilla war that we didn't plan for, we have managed to keep the terrorists from acheiving even one of their goals. Heck, they barely managed to turn off the lights on election day.
- In spite of all the complaints about armor, planning, mismanagement, etc., we have had fewer soldiers die in Iraq than in any other war in our history.
Maybe ths war was poorly planned, but I fail to see how. War necessarily entails chaos; good commanders are the ones who know how to deal with it, as ours aparently have been doing quite admirably.
|| Posted by J-P, October 15, 2005 12:30 PM ||Sorry Mikey, here goes:
Rob, JP: I'm just going to give you the highlights here. PLEASE look at my Thursday post from this week for much more specifics.
1. Al Qaeda attacked us.
2. There were virtually no Al Qaeda in Iraq.
3. We invaded Iraq anyway.
That's poor planning. Sure, we kicked the crap out of a fourth-rate army. BFD. Who's next? Sri Lanka? What about the PLANNING to exit without looking like idiots? Nada.
If we needed a base of operations in the middle east, why not just pitch a tent in Afghanistan? We were already JUSTIFYABLY there. It's because of that planning thing, that's why.
|| Posted by The Other Mike S, October 15, 2005 04:32 PM ||Since Iraq is now the only Muslim country with a democratically-elected Constitutional government, brought to you by the United States of America, and NOT IN YOUR NAME (meaning, NO THANKS TO YOU) isn't it about time the left stopped bitching, whining, moaning and complaining about the reasoning behind going to battle in Iraq, a battle that's pretty much over.
Again, no thanks to the anti-war whiners.
|| Posted by Rob@L&R, October 16, 2005 08:44 AM ||What many leftists and well-meaning "moderates" such as our friend Other Mike have failed to comprehend since the War was declared (on us), is that we aren't just fighting Al-Qaeda. Defeating Al Qaeda alone will not win us anything but time, if that.
The war we fight is against the virus of a deranged ideology that states it's OK to violate the sanctuary of civilian life to target innocents to further a political agenda driven by a hijacked and bastardized form of popular and yes, peaceful religion. It's an ideology that attempts to forcibly drive its followers and the poor souls around them backward to a past barbaric life that is incompatible with modern civilization. This virus is fed through fear, intimidation, and oppression.
The only effective way to fight this ideology is to spread the cure of a better, more compatible ideology that progresses with the rest of the civilized world by defeating those who spread the virus. Bin Laden can't do it alone. Al Qaeda can't do it alone. Get rid of the environments where their "type" of people thrive and you eventually beat them.
Afghanistan was step one. Iraq step two. Those two steps alone start the dominos, and militant islamism falling.
The shortsightedness of the Anti-Iraq-War movement is astounding.
|| Posted by Chet, October 17, 2005 10:07 PM ||We did the same thing with Japan and Germany after WWII. We occupied those countries and restored them to economic health. Along the way, we introduced democratic government. It has been a success in both countries. BUT, and this is the real kicker, how long did we have to stay in each country? We only recently closed down the last of our bases in Germany. We've been out of Japan for a while, but we were there at least 20 years or more. Are we prepared to do the same in Iraq? It may take that long.
|| Posted by Cait, October 18, 2005 06:30 AM ||But how long did we really need to stay in Japan and Germany. In my opinion, we overstayed the necessity, especially once the Cold War ended. The Cold War was also the main reason for our heavy military presence in both Europe and Asia, and China still provides valid justification for bases in the Pacific.
Rebuilding and Democratizing is just a step, you're right. And a heavier American presence in the Middle East is becoming more and more clearly a necessity to ensure global stability, much like our deterrence against the spread of Communism in the 20th century. This is yet another fight that must be fought and won.
Whether we disposed of Saddam Hussein's regime or not, a foreseeable long American military stay in the Middle East has been a future we could not avoid. The war between modern civilization and militant Islamism, unfortunately became inevitable.
|| Posted by Chet, October 18, 2005 07:06 AM ||I'm not sure how long we needed to stay in Japan or Germany, but I'd estimate at least 10 years. You're right, Chet, that we could have left earlier, as the countries were stable and prosperous. We stayed because of the Cold War, for many of the same reasons we now need to keep a deterrent force in the Middle East. What it boils down to, in my opinion, is that we can fight them there or we can fight them here. I have no trouble choosing which I'd prefer.
|| Posted by Cait, October 18, 2005 09:24 AM ||